<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><rss xmlns:atom='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' version='2.0'><channel><atom:id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572</atom:id><lastBuildDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:34:03 +0000</lastBuildDate><title>Desiderant Angeli</title><description>Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully...&lt;BR&gt; 
...which &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;angels desire&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; to look into.&lt;BR&gt;
&lt;i&gt;~ 1 Pet 1:10-12&lt;/i&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/</link><managingEditor>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</managingEditor><generator>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>208</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-2478755789289892884</guid><pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-01-01T08:34:03.981-08:00</atom:updated><title></title><description>&lt;b&gt;The Future of Jesus 6: To three thousand-PLUS generations by Mark Horne&lt;/b&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.hornes.org/mark/2009/11/06/the-future-of-jesus-1/"&gt;First Post in Series&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.hornes.org/mark/2009/11/06/the-future-of-jesus-2-few-to-be-saved-throughout-future-human-history/"&gt;Second Post in Series&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.hornes.org/mark/2009/11/09/the-future-of-jesus-3-are-there-earthly-blessings-to-be-expected-in-the-future/"&gt;Third Post in Series&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.hornes.org/mark/2009/11/13/the-future-of-jesus-4/"&gt;Fourth Post in Series&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.hornes.org/mark/2009/12/02/the-future-of-jesus-5-so-if-jesus-rules-why-isnt-life-better/"&gt;Fifth Post in Series&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children &lt;strong&gt;to the third and the fourth&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;generation &lt;/strong&gt;of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love&lt;strong&gt; to thousands &lt;/strong&gt;of those who love me and keep my commandments (Exodus 20).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;If you read this in Hebrew you discover that the word “generation” is not in the text.  But it is implied.  What is wrong with this translation, however, is that it fails to take into account the contrast.  God won’t let wickedness continue for more than three or four generations, but he will be faithful “&lt;strong&gt;to thousands&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;of generations&lt;/strong&gt;” of those who love God and keep his commandments.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;And it is said explicitly elsewhere:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, &lt;strong&gt;to a thousand generations&lt;/strong&gt;, and repays to their face those who hate him, by destroying them. He will not be slack with one who hates him. He will repay him to his face (Deuternomy 7.9, 10).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;OK, this only mentions one thousand generations, but it too contrasts this with the quick destruction of the wicked.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;So why do we expect the wicked to flourish and the number of generations of the righteous to remain small?&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;According to Paul, once Jesus comes, there should be an explosion of grace and salvation relative to the past.  As he writes in Romans 5:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, &lt;strong&gt;much more&lt;/strong&gt; have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. For if, because of one man’s trespass, &lt;strong&gt;death reigned&lt;/strong&gt; through that one man, &lt;strong&gt;much more&lt;/strong&gt; will &lt;strong&gt;those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life &lt;/strong&gt;through the one man Jesus Christ.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Therefore, &lt;strong&gt;as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.&lt;/strong&gt; Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, &lt;strong&gt;grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;So when we read in Esther 8 about a world-wide vindication of God’s people resulting in massive proselytization “from India to Ethiopia,” we should realize that that was rather minimal compared to what is to happen now that Jesus has come and died and risen again.  God says he is faithful to a thousand generations, that leaves us with thirty-five thousand years left, if a generation is forty years.  God says he is faithful to thousands of generations, which leaves us with 115 thousand years left.  But I don’t want to be literalistic.  I am sure that, just as God owns the cattle on &lt;strong&gt;more&lt;/strong&gt; than a thousand hills (Psalm 50.10), so he will actually be faithful to many more generations of believers than merely thousands.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;So God says to expect thousands of generations, and we’ve spent a few generations claiming that we are the last one.  Paul writes that life through Jesus is more powerful than sin and death through Adam, and we preach that sin is universal and redemption only for a minority in history.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;How does that honor what God says?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-2478755789289892884?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2010/01/future-of-jesus-6-to-three-thousand.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-7612919575586846016</guid><pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-12-04T06:42:42.817-08:00</atom:updated><title>Is Christmas Christian?</title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;by Pastor Jeff Meyers. Worth repeating!! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All the links are here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://jeffreyjmeyers.blogspot.com/2008/12/is-christmas-christian-redux.html"&gt;http://jeffreyjmeyers.blogspot.com/2008/12/is-christmas-christian-redux.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-7612919575586846016?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/12/is-christmas-christian.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-4139049229277515234</guid><pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-12-02T11:07:26.818-08:00</atom:updated><title>The Future of Jesus, Part  5</title><description>The Future of Jesus 5: So if Jesus Rules Why Isn’t Life Better?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;--by Mark Horne&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.hornes.org/mark/2009/12/02/the-future-of-jesus-5-so-if-jesus-rules-why-isnt-life-better/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the reason people are susceptible to wrong ideas about Jesus and the future, is that human nature is prone to think about how things could be better rather than realizing they could be much worse.  But the history of pessimistic eschatology should itself show us how the idea that life has gotten worse is a delusion.  Even before Hal Lindsey, there were masses of Christians, century by century and sometimes decade by decade who knew that human history was stuck and had reached its final moments.  Everyone has “known” over and over again that Jesus was about to return because the state of the world was at such a low point and could never get better.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you think our age is especially worse, you are participating in an ancient tradition.  And you are right, in a sense.  Since the troubles of this age are your troubles and are much worse than the times so far distant.  In fact, all the general troubles that beset previous generations now have a romantic haze about them because you know that generation triumphed and moved on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Say not, “Why were the former days better than these?” For it is not from wisdom that you ask this (Ecclesiastes 7.10).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, maybe we would see Jesus gracious and righteous reign if we realized that every generation has been right.  They should have been the end; progress should have stopped, the world should have slipped away into self-destruction.  Maybe Jesus rescued us over and over.  Maybe he’s like Buffy and has saved the world a lot.  Still does.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because the fact is, however bad things are now, they are not worse than when Jesus stood on the mountain, having risen from the dead but having nothing obvious to show for it, and told a few people that he was king and they were to go conquer the nations (re-read the Great Commission some time).  If you think about it, they were the ones who had every reason to question Jesus’ rule.  Sure, they witnessed the resurrection.  They also all got persecuted, imprisoned, and killed.  The paradox of “ambassador in chains” simply does not register with us because we are so accustomed to the contradiction in the New Testament, but they had not become numb to it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think there is also an assumption that, if Jesus is now conquering all his enemies until the resurrection, we should expect to see history be a straight upward slope: better and better.  But if Jesus is now ruling in that way, he may feel compelled to actually enforce a downward curve from time to time.  Consider this from Second Chronicles 15:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Spirit of God came upon Azariah the son of Oded, and he went out to meet Asa and said to him, “Hear me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin: The Lord is with you while you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you. For a long time Israel was without the true God, and without a teaching priest and without law, but when in their distress they turned to the Lord, the God of Israel, and sought him, he was found by them. In those times there was no peace to him who went out or to him who came in, for great disturbances afflicted all the inhabitants of the lands. They were broken in pieces. Nation was crushed by nation and city by city, for God troubled them with every sort of distress. But you, take courage! Do not let your hands be weak, for your work shall be rewarded.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Asa responds to this message by getting rid of public idols and restoring worship (along with many other things, I’m sure).  But the point here is that when the Church does not teach everything Christ has commanded we should expect him to withdraw peace and prosperity from the world.  This does not disprove that he reigns and has a plan for future victory; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;it proves that he does&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-4139049229277515234?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/12/future-of-jesus-part-5.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-4099712753118284298</guid><pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-12-02T11:03:03.014-08:00</atom:updated><title>The Future of Jesus, Part 4</title><description>The Future of Jesus, 4: Will He Make a Difference in the World?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;--by Mark Horne&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.hornes.org/mark/2009/11/13/the-future-of-jesus-4/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Great Commission tells Christians to persuade people to become disciples of Jesus and train them to obey everything that Jesus commands because he has won all authority in Heaven and on Earth. Yet somehow we are supposed to believe that God wants some kind of minority of Christians throughout world history and is content to allow the majority of the Human race to manage its own affairs independently. This brings out a weirdly paradoxical attitude in which “the world” is looked down upon as sinful and yet is also seen as having the ability to live without God or his son.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Would this view make any sense in Athens that served under a Roman Emperor who claimed to be divine and in which the city civic ceremonies were to other gods? Paul preached,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No one could have possibly heard in this a call for people to have a new private religious experience. Paul was talking to the residents of a city named after one of those imaginary divinities. He was calling Athens to become Christopolis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So we see the same in Ephesus where, though the city is not named for Artemis, she is still the civic deity:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;About that time there arose no little disturbance concerning the Way. For a man named Demetrius, a silversmith, who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought no little business to the craftsmen. These he gathered together, with the workmen in similar trades, and said, “Men, you know that from this business we have our wealth. And you see and hear that not only in Ephesus but in almost all of Asia this Paul has persuaded and turned away a great many people, saying that gods made with hands are not gods. And there is danger not only that this trade of ours may come into disrepute but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis may be counted as nothing, and that she may even be deposed from her magnificence, she whom all Asia and the world worship.” When they heard this they were enraged and were crying out, “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The consistent portrayal in Acts is that the Apostles are constantly in danger of a) being accused of treason for “acting against the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, Jesus” and for disrupting the economy. One of those disruptions involved a slave girl who was demon possessed. While in the gospels this would be an “unclean spirit,” Luke uses a different description: she has a “spirit of divination,” or literally, a spirit of Pythia. This is a reference to the spiritualist center of the Classical Roman world. “Pythian” means “Of or relating to Delphi, the temple of Apollo at Delphi, or its oracle.“ Clearly, the way the healing power of the Gospel disrupted an economy of slavery and demonic possession is meant to be understood as the threat that Christianity represented to the entire Classical world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is worth noting that Paul not only preached against the idols in Athens, but preached in the synagogues because of the idols in Athens:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now while Paul was waiting for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him as he saw that the city was full of idols. So he reasoned [1] in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons, and [2] in the marketplace every day with those who happened to be there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Taking this sentence at face value, Paul saw the predominance of idolatry in the public square and in private to be a sign that something was lacking in the synagogue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What seems to have happened is that there has been incomplete but widespread discipleship of the nations. Now that we have fallen into an era of unbelief, no one wants to credit Jesus with the things that work about the world. So we have been encouraged to believe that such culture is “natural” and “neutral” and properly belongs to an alleged “secular” space.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this isn’t a rational perspective on the way the world really is. Jesus has made the difference and Jesus will do even more in the future. Jesus expects disciples to recruit other disciples personally, and to live as disciples in every aspect of life. The great abuses and misunderstandings that can result can never justify disregarding Jesus’ orders to those who claim to follow him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If there was ever a time when God allowed human societies to exist apart from loyalty to him, that time is over. God now expects everyone to acknowledge the Lordship of His Son and to obey Him.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-4099712753118284298?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/12/future-of-jesus-part-4.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-3547542476130161492</guid><pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-12-11T11:56:32.633-08:00</atom:updated><title>Beautiful!</title><description>&lt;div id="Title" style="font-family: verdana; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: bold; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;&lt;h1 style="display: inline;"&gt;Listen:&lt;/h1&gt;&lt;a class="hov" style="border: 2px solid black; padding: 5px; display: block; width: 300px;" href="http://musicremedy.com/m/matt-brouwer/videos/christmastime_is_here-30471.html" target="_blank"&gt;Christmastime Is Here (Matt Brouwer)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a class="hov" style="border: 2px solid black; padding: 5px; display: block; width: 300px;" href="http://musicremedy.com/m/matt-brouwer/videos/christmastime_is_here-30471.html" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;embed name="RAOCXplayer" src="http://musicremedy.com/musicaudio/Matt-Brouwer/Christmastime-Is-Here-304715.asx" type="application/x-mplayer2" showcontrols="1" showstatusbar="0" enablecontextmenu="0" displaysize="0" bla="true" pluginspage="http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/Downloads/Contents/Products/MediaPlayer/" height="300" width="300"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 3px 0px;"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-3547542476130161492?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/11/beautiful.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-7690997665918722144</guid><pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:02:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-11-20T05:04:42.984-08:00</atom:updated><title>The Future of Jesus, Part 3</title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The Future of Jesus, 3: Are there earthly blessings to be expected in the future?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;--- by Mark Horne&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.hornes.org/mark/2009/11/09/the-future-of-jesus-3-are-there-earthly-blessings-to-be-expected-in-the-future/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To recap, I’ve argued that a straightforward reading of the Bible shows us that Jesus wants, expects, and promises the world will be converted to Christ. I’ve also argued that a passage about one generation’s failure to embrace the Gospel is getting mistakenly transferred to our future (in my opinion this is a representative example of a mistake made in many passages; that will require more arguments in the future).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this post, I argue that there are promises about the future that cannot refer to reality after the Resurrection of the righteous, but have to be fulfilled in our own era. Consider, for example, this passage from Isaiah 65:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For behold, I create new heavens&lt;br /&gt;and a new earth,&lt;br /&gt;and the former things shall not be remembered&lt;br /&gt;or come into mind.&lt;br /&gt;But be glad and rejoice forever&lt;br /&gt;in that which I create;&lt;br /&gt;for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy,&lt;br /&gt;and her people to be a gladness.&lt;br /&gt;I will rejoice in Jerusalem&lt;br /&gt;and be glad in my people;&lt;br /&gt;no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping&lt;br /&gt;and the cry of distress.&lt;br /&gt;No more shall there be in it&lt;br /&gt;an infant who lives but a few days,&lt;br /&gt;or an old man who does not fill out his days,&lt;br /&gt;for the young man shall die a hundred years old,&lt;br /&gt;and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.&lt;br /&gt;They shall build houses and inhabit them;&lt;br /&gt;they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.&lt;br /&gt;They shall not build and another inhabit;&lt;br /&gt;they shall not plant and another eat;&lt;br /&gt;for like the days of a tree shall the days of my people be,&lt;br /&gt;and my chosen shall long enjoy the work of their hands.&lt;br /&gt;They shall not labor in vain&lt;br /&gt;or bear children for calamity,&lt;br /&gt;for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the LORD,&lt;br /&gt;and their descendants with them.&lt;br /&gt;Before they call I will answer;&lt;br /&gt;while they are yet speaking I will hear.&lt;br /&gt;The wolf and the lamb shall graze together;&lt;br /&gt;the lion shall eat straw like the ox,&lt;br /&gt;and dust shall be the serpent’s food.&lt;br /&gt;They shall not hurt or destroy&lt;br /&gt;in all my holy mountain,”&lt;br /&gt;says the Lord.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People can argue about what in this passage is meant to be taken “literally” and what is not. But it does refer to blessings of some kind. And those blessing cannot be relegated to either a purely “spiritual” state, nor to life after the “Second Coming.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why not? This prophecy could have been delivered without any mention of death at all. If these were either blessings describing a “spiritual” reality in Christ or a post-Judgment-Day reality after the general resurrection, then death should not be part of the description at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But death is there in the promise that dying at the age of a hundred will be considered dying young. Immortality is not promised, merely increased longevity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why? There was no need to bring it up if it wasn’t intended to inform us that there will still be death, just not in the worse form that people have experienced before (or now?).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we take Genesis 3 seriously, then not only is death a result of the Fall, but so are various aspects of the world that we take for granted: painful labor both in a man’s work and in a mother’s giving birth, for example. And we can extrapolate also disease and all the other bad things that cause unnecessary suffering and scarcity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I pointed out, Paul refers to our future resurrection as being the defeat of the last enemy (First Corinthians 15.26). For that reason alone, we should expect God to deliver us from plagues and famines before that time. We should expect that, as the Great Commission is fulfilled, that life expectancies will increase. This prophecy in Isaiah 65 fits well with that expectation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, how does one “spiritualize” salvation without “spiritualizing” Genesis 3? It seems to me that amillennialism demands afallism too. (No Christian believes that, of course, but I’m just saying it should give us pause.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don’t know that everything in Isaiah 65 is intended literally. And even if the promise about animals not eating each other is literal, I’m not sure that represents a return to Eden or a transformation that is even greater than the original state of creation. But what I do know is that the prophecy will be fulfilled when the whole world is converted. A promise made, among other places, in Isaiah 11:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,&lt;br /&gt;and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat,&lt;br /&gt;and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together;&lt;br /&gt;and a little child shall lead them.&lt;br /&gt;The cow and the bear shall graze;&lt;br /&gt;their young shall lie down together;&lt;br /&gt;and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.&lt;br /&gt;The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra,&lt;br /&gt;and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder’s den.&lt;br /&gt;They shall not hurt or destroy&lt;br /&gt;in all my holy mountain;&lt;br /&gt;for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD&lt;br /&gt;as the waters cover the sea.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In that day the root of Jesse, who shall stand as a signal for the peoples—of him shall the nations inquire, and his resting place shall be glorious.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, Habbakuk prophesies that the wicked will not last, not by predicting the coming of Judgment Day, but rather predicting that the rise of worldwide godliness will bring about the destruction of those who attempt to build their kingdoms upon murder. In Chapter 2, which contains the same passage that the Apostle Paul uses to prove justification by faith alone, Habbakuk writes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Woe to him who builds a town with blood&lt;br /&gt;and founds a city on iniquity!&lt;br /&gt;Behold, is it not from the LORD of hosts&lt;br /&gt;that peoples labor merely for fire,&lt;br /&gt;and nations weary themselves for nothing?&lt;br /&gt;For the earth will be filled&lt;br /&gt;with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD&lt;br /&gt;as the waters cover the sea.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is our hope: Not only the return of Jesus, but the victory of His Spirit and His Gospel giving the whole world true knowledge of him and of his Word, bringing about the end of wickedness and an end to the weariness of frustrated labor.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-7690997665918722144?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/11/future-of-jesus-part-3.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-6619389562966603110</guid><pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-11-16T11:10:31.498-08:00</atom:updated><title>The Future of Jesus Part  2</title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Few to be saved throughout (future) human history? --by Mark Horne&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.hornes.org/mark/2009/11/06/the-future-of-jesus-2-few-to-be-saved-throughout-future-human-history/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Someone asked why more people don’t see the plain and straightforward claims of the Bible about the future. I doubt I have much more to add to what I have already presented. As far as I can tell it is rarely even admitted that these passages exist. Instead, other passages are used to claim a different teaching.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The rest of my posts on this subject will probably be devoted to removing such obstructions. (In this case, I’m mostly re-using a post from October 16, 2006).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One such passage comes from Luke 13 and is used to support the proposition that only a few will be saved in human history. This is what the text says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching and journeying toward Jerusalem. And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God. And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last” (Luke 13.22-29)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is what the text does not say:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching and journeying toward Jerusalem. And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. And a really small number of people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus doesn’t say only a few will be saved; he says only a few of his countrymen will be saved. And even here he is only referring to his own generation. He is talking about those who owned the streets on which he preached.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So there is nothing in this passage to make us pessimistic about the future or impute to God a stingy plan for the human race as a whole. In fact, Jesus rhetoric of all those gathering from all compass points indicates the very opposite: that most people will be eventually brought into salvation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That doesn’t mean I think Luke 13.29 is some sort of absolute proof for “postmillennialism.” No, as I have already written, I give that honor to Isaiah 49.1-7:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Listen to me, O coastlands,&lt;br /&gt;and give attention, you peoples from afar.&lt;br /&gt;The Lord called me from the womb,&lt;br /&gt;from the body of my mother he named my name.&lt;br /&gt;He made my mouth like a sharp sword;&lt;br /&gt;in the shadow of his hand he hid me;&lt;br /&gt;he made me a polished arrow;&lt;br /&gt;in his quiver he hid me away.&lt;br /&gt;And he said to me, “You are my servant,&lt;br /&gt;Israel, in whom I will be glorified.” [1]&lt;br /&gt;But I said, “I have labored in vain;&lt;br /&gt;I have spent my strength for nothing and vanity;&lt;br /&gt;yet surely my right is with the Lord,&lt;br /&gt;and my recompense with my God.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And now the Lord says,&lt;br /&gt;he who formed me from the womb to be his servant,&lt;br /&gt;to bring Jacob back to him;&lt;br /&gt;and that Israel might be gathered to him—&lt;br /&gt;for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord,&lt;br /&gt;and my God has become my strength—&lt;br /&gt;he says:&lt;br /&gt;“It is too light a thing that you should be my servant&lt;br /&gt;to raise up the tribes of Jacob&lt;br /&gt;and to bring back the preserved of Israel;&lt;br /&gt;I will make you as a light for the nations,&lt;br /&gt;that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thus says the Lord,&lt;br /&gt;the Redeemer of Israel and his Holy One,&lt;br /&gt;to one deeply despised, abhorred by the nation,&lt;br /&gt;the servant of rulers:&lt;br /&gt;“Kings shall see and arise;&lt;br /&gt;princes, and they shall prostrate themselves;&lt;br /&gt;because of the Lord, who is faithful,&lt;br /&gt;the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is too small a thing to God for him to show mercy on and bring salvation to a minority of humanity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So there is no excuse for us to be stingy about the Great Commission.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-6619389562966603110?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/11/future-of-jesus-part-2.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-1063186741383477035</guid><pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-11-13T13:57:23.027-08:00</atom:updated><title>The Future of Jesus</title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"&gt;This is the first of a series on eschatology&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Future of Jesus, 1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;--- by Mark Horne&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.hornes.org/mark/2009/11/06/the-future-of-jesus-1/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does Jesus expect to happen in world history? We know what he told his disciples to make happen:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and disciple all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age”(Matthew 28.18-20).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is quite clear. The disciples are to bring all national/ethnic groups (ethnoi) into submission to Jesus by teaching them everything Jesus commands so that they observe it. This involves not just teaching a moral code, but initiation into a new society through baptism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With these marching orders come two assurances: First, that Jesus has gained cosmic authority and, second, that he will be with his disciples as they carry out his commands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The claim to have now gained all authority was and is immediately recognizable as an appeal to a prophecy in Daniel’s visions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I saw in the night visions,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and behold, with the clouds of heaven&lt;br /&gt;there came one like a son of man,&lt;br /&gt;and he came to the Ancient of Days&lt;br /&gt;and was presented before him.&lt;br /&gt;And to him was given dominion&lt;br /&gt;and glory and a kingdom,&lt;br /&gt;that all peoples, nations, and languages&lt;br /&gt;should serve him;&lt;br /&gt;his dominion is an everlasting dominion,&lt;br /&gt;which shall not pass away,&lt;br /&gt;and his kingdom one&lt;br /&gt;that shall not be destroyed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daniel is immediately told what his vision of “one like a son of man” being enthroned, means. It means that “the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever.” Jesus is claiming that the prophecy has now come true. It is made all the more specific in that the next thing the twelve disciples witness is Jesus ascending into heaven in a cloud.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This kingdom is not intended to stay hidden in heaven with Jesus, nor is it a grand name for a few scattered disciples. This is plain from Jesus’ own orders. It is also clear in Daniel where the prophecy of Daniel 7 is a complement to prophesies given in Daniel 2 in which Nebuchadnezzar sees a vision,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The rock, Daniel explains, is the Kingdom of God. Both in Daniel 7 and in Daniel 2 a timeline is given in which there are four empires until God intervenes. The four empires are the Babylonian, the Medo-Persian, the Macedonian, and the Roman. Jesus came under the Caesars and he was exalted over them. He told his disciples to preach a new king.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Apostle Paul later refers to the Great Commission of Matthew 28, saying that it is his calling as an Apostle to bring about “the obedience of faith” (Romans 1.5; 16.26). He spells out the future course of world history in 1 Corinthians 15, writing:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here in addition to the prophecies of Daniel, we should also mention Psalm 110, the most quoted passage in the “New Testament”:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The LORD says to my Lord:&lt;br /&gt;“Sit at my right hand,&lt;br /&gt;until I make your enemies your footstool.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is related to Psalm 2:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why do the nations rage&lt;br /&gt;and the peoples plot in vain?&lt;br /&gt;The kings of the earth set themselves,&lt;br /&gt;and the rulers take counsel together,&lt;br /&gt;against the LORD and against his Anointed, saying,&lt;br /&gt;“Let us burst their bonds apart&lt;br /&gt;and cast away their cords from us.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He who sits in the heavens laughs;&lt;br /&gt;the LORD holds them in derision.&lt;br /&gt;Then he will speak to them in his wrath,&lt;br /&gt;and terrify them in his fury, saying,&lt;br /&gt;“As for me, I have set my King&lt;br /&gt;on Zion, my holy hill.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will tell of the decree:&lt;br /&gt;The Lord said to me, “You are my Son;&lt;br /&gt;today I have begotten you.&lt;br /&gt;Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage,&lt;br /&gt;and the ends of the earth your possession.&lt;br /&gt;You shall break them with a rod of iron&lt;br /&gt;and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now therefore, O kings, be wise;&lt;br /&gt;be warned, O rulers of the earth.&lt;br /&gt;Serve the LORD with fear,&lt;br /&gt;and rejoice with trembling.&lt;br /&gt;Kiss the Son,&lt;br /&gt;lest he be angry, and you perish in the way,&lt;br /&gt;for his wrath is quickly kindled.&lt;br /&gt;Blessed are all who take refuge in him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul preached that the LORD’s begetting a son was a prophecy of the resurrection:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And we bring you the good news that what God promised to the fathers, this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus, as also it is written in the second Psalm, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul uses this Psalm and its relation to the resurrection to begin his letter to the Romans, showing Jesus to have been born again by the Spirit to be King of all:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, including you who are called to belong to Jesus Christ,…&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a parallelism here, as many scholars have noticed, between Jesus’ first birth from the line of David and his second by the resurrection of the dead. Thus Jesus royal stature involves the title “Firstborn from the dead” (Colossians 1.18; Revelation 1.5). Jesus is now a new king and he is taking possession of what he has won by his death and resurrection. That is the story of world history from his ascension until the resurrection when “The last enemy to be destroyed is death.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, Jesus didn’t win this kingdom for his own sake, nor does he call us to work towards its realization for his own sake. Jesus wants to save the world. That was the whole point of Israel, going back to the calling of Abraham in Genesis 12:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And God makes it clear that he hates the idea of only ultimately saving a small remnant out of the world:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Listen to me, O coastlands,&lt;br /&gt;and give attention, you peoples from afar.&lt;br /&gt;The LORD called me from the womb,&lt;br /&gt;from the body of my mother he named my name.&lt;br /&gt;He made my mouth like a sharp sword;&lt;br /&gt;in the shadow of his hand he hid me;&lt;br /&gt;he made me a polished arrow;&lt;br /&gt;in his quiver he hid me away.&lt;br /&gt;And he said to me, “You are my servant,&lt;br /&gt;Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”&lt;br /&gt;But I said, “I have labored in vain;&lt;br /&gt;I have spent my strength for nothing and vanity;&lt;br /&gt;yet surely my right is with the Lord,&lt;br /&gt;and my recompense with my God.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And now the LORD says,&lt;br /&gt;he who formed me from the womb to be his servant,&lt;br /&gt;to bring Jacob back to him;&lt;br /&gt;and that Israel might be gathered to him—&lt;br /&gt;for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord,&lt;br /&gt;and my God has become my strength—&lt;br /&gt;he says:&lt;br /&gt;“It is too light a thing that you should be my servant&lt;br /&gt;to raise up the tribes of Jacob&lt;br /&gt;and to bring back the preserved of Israel;&lt;br /&gt;I will make you as a light for the nations,&lt;br /&gt;that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So amid all the power grabs of world leaders, God’s objective in Jesus is the release of the human race from slavery—not just slavery from death but slavery from every other tyrant as well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That is the future Jesus wants, expects, and orders us to promote.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-1063186741383477035?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/11/future-of-jesus.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-1413596088788088696</guid><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-11-11T07:52:20.525-08:00</atom:updated><title>Veterans</title><description>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OAcpQxCdzpI/SvrdixRNUoI/AAAAAAAAAC0/d7p7UFJGr0I/s1600-h/VDay1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 277px; height: 355px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OAcpQxCdzpI/SvrdixRNUoI/AAAAAAAAAC0/d7p7UFJGr0I/s400/VDay1.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5402874292395135618" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We remember the sacrifices of all of you&lt;br /&gt;who have put on the uniform to serve&lt;br /&gt;in the United States military.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We honor you, our veterans, who have proven your heroism&lt;br /&gt;and love of country time and time again.&lt;br /&gt;You have consistently defended our ideals across the globe;&lt;br /&gt;and you are an inspiration to those who defend America today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More than a million of you have died in service to America;&lt;br /&gt;and more than a million and a half have been wounded.&lt;br /&gt;Some of you have sustained serious injuries in combat&lt;br /&gt;and now some of you also live with disabilities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We in the United States of America, will always be grateful&lt;br /&gt;for the noble sacrifices made by you&lt;br /&gt;and we honor and respect you for your service.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We can never adequately repay you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;YOU,&lt;br /&gt;our veterans, are living examples&lt;br /&gt;of the timeless truth that freedom is not free.&lt;br /&gt;Thank you!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-1413596088788088696?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/11/veterans.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OAcpQxCdzpI/SvrdixRNUoI/AAAAAAAAAC0/d7p7UFJGr0I/s72-c/VDay1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-2521797029516769546</guid><pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-11-02T08:34:22.712-08:00</atom:updated><title>The Spiritual Drive Train</title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;by Doug Wilson&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;from BLOG and MABLOG&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This might be the medieval equivalent of an urban legend, I don't know. I read it somewhere, but can't recall the source, but here goes anyhow. Somebody, Thomas Aquinas maybe, was being shown around some opulent palace by the pope. "You see, Thomas, no longer can Peter say 'silver and gold have I none.'" To which Thomas, if it was Thomas, replied in the affirmative, adding only that neither can the Church anymore say, "Rise up and walk."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my ongoing protestations against dualism, the subsequent discussions make it plain that all of us still need to do some more spadework before the garden is ready for planting. Knowing what we ought not to be doing anymore, which I am pretty clear on, is not the same thing as knowing exactly what we should be doing instead, and what order the steps should be. Reformations are messy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reformation of worship is the central issue of our day, but not the only issue. It is the engine, not the car. But an engine without a car is just as immobile as a car without an engine, and we are called to drive to the Celestial City. So we have to know how the reformation of worship might connect with everything else. What is the spiritual drive train?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In order to connect everything properly, I want to argue that we must make a clear and formal distinction between the Church and the Kingdom. The Church is formal worship, the cultus. The Kingdom is the culture that surrounds the Church, having grown out of it. The reformational work of reclaiming education or the fine arts is Kingdom work, done by Christians, to be distinguished from the formal work of the Church, done by ministers, elders, deacons, and congregants. The task of the Church is Word and sacrament, period. Other tasks taken up by the Church should be auxiliary works, subordinate to those central tasks, and directly related to them (e.g. building a facility in which to preach the Word and administer the sacraments, trying diligently to keep that building from looking like your local CostCo warehouse).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rightly established, the Church equips the saints for works of service, and these works include all the things that men and women are lawfully called to do -- merchandizing and mining, poetry and policework, and education and eggplant farming. The Church's task is to equip and inspire -- not to supplant. When this understanding is gummed up, then an ecclesiocentric vision goes bad, and metasticizes into one where the Church becomes the only real thing that matters, and we are back to Thomas's, if it was Thomas's, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;bon mot&lt;/span&gt;. Rich nobles start leaving all their holdings to monasteries so that monks with their heads bobbing might pray for the soul of Sir Herbert Leslie Throckmorton for the next five hundred years. That's not good. The nucleus is not the cell, and the Church is not the Kingdom. The Church is not supposed to be the Death Star.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I don't want the Church to be everything, and I don't want the reformation of the Church to be the only item on the agenda -- just the first and most important item on the agenda. When that reformation begins to take shape, and numerous Christians are worshiping in the way Christians ought to be worshiping, those Christians -- who happen to be politicians, auto mechanics, teachers, film directors, news anchors, poets, and cafeteria workers -- will begin to live out the kind of Christian life that they learned about the previous Sunday. That will effect the transformation of society, but not by turning that society into a giant worship service.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-2521797029516769546?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/11/spiritual-drive-train.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-8364206031199248505</guid><pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-10-21T06:35:29.802-07:00</atom:updated><title>Social Media Real-Time Counter</title><description>&lt;object id="Garys Social Media Count" classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" width="450" height="488" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0"&gt;&lt;param name="quality" value="high" /&gt;&lt;param name="bgcolor" value="#FFFFFF" /&gt;&lt;param name="src" value="http://www.personalizemedia.com/media/socmedcounter.swf" /&gt;&lt;param name="name" value="myMovieName" /&gt;&lt;embed id="Garys Social Media Count" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="450" height="488" src="http://www.personalizemedia.com/media/socmedcounter.swf" name="myMovieName" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" quality="high"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-8364206031199248505?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/10/social-media-real-time-counter.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-4884669088080355248</guid><pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-10-17T08:08:43.685-07:00</atom:updated><title>The End of Materialism</title><description>"The upshot is that two of the most aggressive and exciting scientific projects of the last half century have revealed that science can’t explain the reality of things, especially of living things.  It’s time, he suggests, to give up the modern notion that science gets at a level of reality that is somehow “more real” than our daily experience of the world."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.leithart.com/2009/10/16/end-of-materialism/&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-4884669088080355248?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/10/end-of-materialism.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-3882995936438549905</guid><pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-10-16T13:13:57.738-07:00</atom:updated><title>Why Obama is NOT a Christian</title><description>&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/t4cMB8ktCT8&amp;amp;rel=0&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;feature=player_profilepage&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/t4cMB8ktCT8&amp;amp;rel=0&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;feature=player_profilepage&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The rest are here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHlelAui5fs&lt;br /&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEYeDGOW83I&lt;br /&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpvlY9BVrY&lt;br /&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA9D9_x9bgY&lt;br /&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQMqylEt-Rw&lt;br /&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxHdDQDgxQ0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now if Obama wants to call himself a Christian, then he'd better find out what that means. Otherwise, he can believe what he wants to believe, but he is not a Christian.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-3882995936438549905?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/10/why-obama-is-not-christian.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-6440858921591855697</guid><pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:39:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-10-12T21:41:43.867-07:00</atom:updated><title>“What kind of man is he?</title><description>I regularly tell our seminary students that if I happen to visit the church in which one of them serves, I will not ask first, “Is this man a good preacher?” Rather, first of all I will ask the secretaries, office staff, janitors, and cleaners what it is like to work for this pastor. I will ask, “What kind of man is he? Is he a servant? Is he demanding and harsh, or his he patient, kind, and forbearing as a man in authority?” One of our graduates may preach great sermons, but if he is a pain to work for, then you know he will cause major problems in any congregation. Leaders in the church are required by Scripture to set an example in the areas of love, kindness, gentleness, patience, and forbearance before they are appointed to preach, teach, and rule. If we obediently require these attitudes and character traits of our leaders, what will our “new community” look like? -- from "The Heart of Evangelism” by Jerram Barrs, professor at Covenant Seminary&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-6440858921591855697?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-kind-of-man-is-he.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-324589077867323495</guid><pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-10-07T07:01:29.595-07:00</atom:updated><title>An evening of eschatology</title><description>&lt;script src="http://www.desiringgod.org/player.js?embedCode=g2aGN3OscfH2sj_J4gKHxcmX3puzoziP&amp;amp;height=337&amp;amp;width=600"&gt;&lt;/script&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-324589077867323495?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/10/evennig-of-eschatology.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-3531498007893059595</guid><pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-09-15T07:58:37.589-07:00</atom:updated><title>Not a Crutch</title><description>"Christianity isn’t a crutch for the weak; it’s a stretcher for the dead. The gospel doesn’t claim to help the weak; it claims to make the dead live again. We reject the notion of the crutch of Christianity because we don’t need something to hel...p us walk along; we need something to make us truly alive." - Michael Kelley&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-3531498007893059595?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/09/not-crutch.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-7726103067144860652</guid><pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-09-03T13:35:52.693-07:00</atom:updated><title>Bob Kauflin hits on something we NEED to hear!</title><description>&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;How seriously do we take the command to tell the coming generations what we know of God and worshiping God?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How many of our thoughts about music and worship revolve around what we like, what we prefer, what interests us, and what we find appealing? And how often is that attitude passed on to the next generation, who then focus on what appeals to them?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I suspect this may be one of the reasons churches develop separate meetings for different musical tastes. In the short run it may bring more people to your church. But in the long run it keeps us stuck in the mindset that musical styles have more power to divide us than the gospel has to unite us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How do we pass on biblical values of worship to coming generations when we can’t even sing in the same room with them?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have to look beyond our own generation, both past and future, if we’re to clearly understand what God wants us to do now. Otherwise we can be guilty of a chronological narcissism that always views our generation as the most important one. As Winston Churchill insightfully wrote, “The further back you can look, the further forward you can see.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Enough thinking about ourselves and what kind of music we like to use to worship God. God wants us to have an eye on our children, our grandchildren, and even our great grandchildren. We have a message to proclaim: “God is good, for His steadfast love endures forever.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let’s not allow shortsightedness or selfish preferences keep us from proclaiming it together.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;read the rest here:&lt;br /&gt;http://www.worshipmatters.com/2009/09/the-legacy-of-asaph-learning-to-sing-in-the-same-room/&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-7726103067144860652?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/09/bob-kauflin-hits-on-something-we-need.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-9082119357186249739</guid><pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-09-02T14:32:13.508-07:00</atom:updated><title>HYPE!</title><description>"Let's be honest: If you combine a charismatic speaker, a talented worship band, and some hip, creative events, people will attend your church. Yet this does not mean that the Holy Spirit of God is actively working and moving in the lives of the people who are coming." - Francis Chan&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-9082119357186249739?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/09/hype.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-292981269515999047</guid><pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-09-02T14:29:35.667-07:00</atom:updated><title>The Butterfly Circus</title><description>&lt;iframe width="540px" height="300px" id="dpWidget" src="http://www.thedoorpost.com/embed/?film=4dd298f102c77b625cf37a9e7744ac68"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-292981269515999047?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/09/butterfly-circus.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-4334322512438903476</guid><pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:25:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-09-01T06:27:33.138-07:00</atom:updated><title>Get the men, get the families too</title><description>&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qFljv_wit4k&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qFljv_wit4k&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-4334322512438903476?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/09/get-men-get-families-too.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>3</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-5574422457497207445</guid><pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-27T08:36:27.969-07:00</atom:updated><title>SELF-esteem...?</title><description>Someone asked...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"In God's eyes, what are you worth?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I say, "Nothing!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yup! And not just me...all of us put together are worthless.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"All have turned away, they have together become WORTHLESS; there is no one who does good, not even one." (Rom 3:12)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Outside of Christ there is NO worth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But I thought we were 'worth Jesus' to God"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then you've missed the whole point of the Gospel and Grace! God didn't send Jesus because we were 'worth Jesus,' but because we were NOT! In fact, we were worse than worthless:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us...when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words we were &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;disgusting &lt;/span&gt;and &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;opposed &lt;/span&gt;to Him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But weren't we made in the Image of God?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yeah, and everyone of us trashed that image. The whole point of an image is to accurately reflect its Object, it has no substance of its own. So it's not a term to get egotistical about. It is not a point of pride!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now before you get your psycho-babble, SELF-esteem knickers all in a twist, what you need to "develop in" is "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Christ-esteem&lt;/span&gt;," NOT self-esteem. Only then will your life be a God-honoring expression of what He wants you to be. Because, "your life is now hidden with Christ in God."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Remember: &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Outside of Christ there is NO worth&lt;/span&gt;. Anything you have or are is only legitimate because of Him. You have no identity outside of Him. Everything good about your life is ONLY connected to Him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So quit worrying about your worth, get your mind off yourself! And thank God that Jesus is Worth it all! It is ALL because of HIM!!!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-5574422457497207445?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/08/self-esteem.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-5334803658000893031</guid><pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-20T10:58:18.932-07:00</atom:updated><title>Arminianism leads to...</title><description>&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/g0uACs89vhE&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/g0uACs89vhE&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Something my friend Bill Mallory posted on his blog:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://christcenteredresearchgroup.blogspot.com/&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-5334803658000893031?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/08/arminianism-leads-to.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-8743477739950091564</guid><pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-08-01T08:54:17.739-07:00</atom:updated><title>500 Year Legacy</title><description>&lt;embed src="http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnplayer/cbnPlayer.swf?s=/vod/LWE14v2_WS" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="348"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;He that will not honor the memory and respect the influence of John Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty.&lt;/strong&gt; - &lt;em&gt;Geroge Bancroft, Harvard historian&lt;/em&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-8743477739950091564?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/08/500-year-legacy.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-5049229565071146108</guid><pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-07-30T14:07:31.904-07:00</atom:updated><title>A Communion Hymn</title><description>A Communion Hymn&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    A shocking thing, this, that we should forget&lt;br /&gt;    The Savior who gave up his life –&lt;br /&gt;    To turn from the cross, indifferent, and let&lt;br /&gt;    Our minds veer toward self-love and strife.&lt;br /&gt;    The table, this rite, is habit – and yet&lt;br /&gt;    Christ’s words pierce our shame like a knife:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    While breaking the bread, the Lord Jesus said,&lt;br /&gt;    “Do this in remembrance of me.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    Enamored with power, surrounded with praise,&lt;br /&gt;    We set out our ecclesial plans.&lt;br /&gt;    Efficiency hums, and we spend our days&lt;br /&gt;    Defending, promoting our stands.&lt;br /&gt;    Techniques multiply, our structures amaze –&lt;br /&gt;    The gospel slips out of our hands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    While breaking the bread, the Lord Jesus said,&lt;br /&gt;    “Do this in remembrance of me.&lt;br /&gt;    O remember, remember the cross.&lt;br /&gt;    From my side issued water and blood,&lt;br /&gt;    This was no accident,&lt;br /&gt;    I bore the wrath of my God.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    “Remember my bed, the dank cattle shed,&lt;br /&gt;    Though glory was all my domain.&lt;br /&gt;    Remember the years of service and tears&lt;br /&gt;    That climaxed in lashings of pain.&lt;br /&gt;    By God’s own decree, your guilt fell on me,&lt;br /&gt;    And all of my loss is your gain.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    While breaking the bread, the Lord Jesus said,&lt;br /&gt;    “Do this in remembrance of me.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    “Remember my tears, Gethsemene’s fears;&lt;br /&gt;    Recall that my followers fled,&lt;br /&gt;    That I was betrayed, disowned and arraigned –&lt;br /&gt;    The Prince of Life crucified, dead.&lt;br /&gt;    Remember your shame, your sin and your blame;&lt;br /&gt;    Remember the blood that I shed.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    While lifting the cup, the Savior spoke up,&lt;br /&gt;    “Do this in remembrance of me.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    So now when we eat this feast simply spread&lt;br /&gt;    I blush I forget to recall.&lt;br /&gt;    For this quiet rite means once more I have fed&lt;br /&gt;    On bread that gave life once for all;&lt;br /&gt;    Memorial feast—just wine, broken bread—&lt;br /&gt;    And time to reflect on Christ’s call:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    While breaking the bread, the Lord Jesus said,&lt;br /&gt;    “Do this in remembrance of me.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- D.A. Carson&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-5049229565071146108?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/07/communion-hymn.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink='false'>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1857064031000368572.post-6607583442840365024</guid><pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:16:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2009-07-14T06:21:02.483-07:00</atom:updated><title>The Problem with Vision</title><description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;from&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; &lt;a class="entry-source-title" href="http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reclaimingthemind.org%2Fblog%2Ffeed%2F?hl=en" target="_blank" closure_hashcode_s949dk="456"&gt;Parchment and Pen&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;by Lisa Robinson&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently, I was at a small social gathering and engaged in some good discussion with a most delightful couple. Now they are members of a very popular megachurch here in Dallas and the husband had just attended the men’s conference that this church hosts annually. As he recalled the highlights of this conference, he spoke most insistently of the importance of having a vision – a vision for ministry, a vision for home and family, a vision for calling, and the need to engage his wife in the vision.  This seemed to be the theme of instruction for this conference.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is nothing new. I have heard it before. Vision is a highly touted concept that is common in most evangelical, megachurch type circles, especially those with Charismatic leanings. Basically, it is about having insight into how your gifts and callings will play out in life. It is having a divinely inspired picture of your life painted for you so that you will know your direction and how to proceed.  It is knowing how God will use you as an individual and corporately as a ministry.  In fact, if you go to many non-denominational church web-sites, especially Charismatic based ones, the idea of vision is typically embedded in both the mission statement and specific ministry endeavors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think this is an interesting concept and one that preaches quite well.  It makes sense, I think, that for whatever God has given us, then he would give us direction of how that will be played out.   I do not have an issue with vision per se.  But I do get concerned when highly popularized terms become buzzwords for establishing our Christian mission.  I get concerned when mass appeal leaps onto concepts that may sound really dynamic but may not be loosely rooted in a Scriptural mandate for Christian living and God’s desires for us concerning kingdom pursuits.  I personally think that  vision has taken on a life of its own as it has ridden the wave of mass appeal in the same way that purpose and destiny became popularized with Rick Warren’s A Purpose Driven Life.   The concepts, I think, begin to overshadow and can even substitute for a Scriptural prescription for direction for life’s activities and more importantly, how we carry out the missions in our local assemblies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now I am not saying that vision is insignificant and that we should just toss the whole idea out.  I believe that leadership of churches structure their specific mission on the direction of a church based on a particular vision.  I’m sure vision played in some way into the development of the Credo House, which has now come to fruition.  I am reminded of a former church that was founded on the vision of a multi-cultural congregation in the midst of historically segregated ones and that vision has actualized as the ministry has grown.  My own church indeed has a page devoted to a vision statement, which essentially describes the churches’ mission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So while I do agree in part of the concept of vision, I think there is also a problem with the hyper-utilization of concept.  I also have some difficulty reconciling its current and popular usage as applicable to individuals as well as churches, with the foundation for Christian living in context of the complete witness of Scripture.  Moreover, I find formulation for mandating the need for vision built on a somewhat troubling grounds, as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Problem #1:  Troubled Hermeneutics&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Some have built the concept of vision around Old Testament concepts and Scriptural formulation.  Prophets continually were given a vision by God for direction for His people.  Predominantly, passages such as Habakkuk 2:2-3, are promoted as giving credence to the Lord providing visions to us so that we will make record of it and move towards that goal.  This demonstrates that God wants for His people to have a vision and be able to move into that direction.  Another verse commonly used to support the idea of vision is Proverbs 29:18.  Promoters of the vision concept have  pointed to this particular passage indicating that we would be lost without a vision and therefore, having an idea of what picture God would paint for our lives becomes necessary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem is that the vision that God gave to prophets has no meaningful basis for the New Testament Christian nor does it relate in anyway to how we should proceed with a kingdom agenda in the church age.  The visions that were given to prophets were part and parcel of how God related to His people and revealed Himself to them.  Consider Hebrews 1:1, that God spoke through prophets and in various ways.  This is how God made Himself known authoritatively and the desires that He had for His people Israel, as a redeemed nation.  This is equally applicable to the passage in Proverbs.  The vision really means revelation and refers to God’s revelatory word such as we now have through the 66 books of inspired texts.  So the passage is really saying where there is no word of the Lord present, the people cast off restraints.  It would be the same as saying in the present day context, where there are no Bibles or Biblical instruction, the people cast off restraints.  So the vision spoken about in the Old Testament was synonymous with God’s authoritative word concerning His people and is not synonymous with God painting a picture so they would know which direction to run their everyday lives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Problem #2: New Testament Inconsistency&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;When God made Himself known through His son, Jesus Christ, He introduced a new way of how His people would relate to Him through the internal working of the Spirit bearing the presence of God and the testimony of Christ within each believer.  Previous to Christ, the mechanics of divine relationship of God with His people was centripetal in that the nation of Israel would draw focus on God.  The mechanics were changed under the new covenant reversing the movement to centrifugal action, consummated in these words from Jesus to His disciples “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This became the church’s mission.  Not just to go out and gather people for the sake of adding numbers but to make disciples, which are followers and learners of Christ.  The church comprising the body of believers, now becomes the means by which discipleship is accomplished.  The mystery of Christ, previously hidden, is now revealed through His faithful apostolic and prophetic witnesses (Ephesians 3:5) who provide the foundation by which this revelation is conveyed to a lost and dying world (Ephesians 2:19-22).  The body of Christ, comprises many members (1 Corinthians 12:12-13) and each member contributes significantly to the growth of the body, as Christ is formed and reflected, and the body is built up in love, building on the apostolic and prophetic foundation. (Ephesians 4:11-16)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because it is one body but many members, so each believer is to utilize His gift for the work of ministry, as I Peter 4:10 indicates ‘as each one has received a special gift, employ it in serving one another as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.  I love what that says, utilizing our gifts in harmony not only serves one another, but essentially becomes a marker of the grace provided to us.  That’s why I think its pretty significant for each believer to be cognizant of how they are gifted and how they will contribute to carrying the &lt;em&gt;missio Dei&lt;/em&gt;, as prescribed in Matthew 28:19.  That, I believe and see in Scripture, is the New Testament prescription for carrying out God’s kingdom agenda.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what’s the problem?  The problem is that God’s picture of how His plan unfolds is carried out through the body of Christ, each member utilizing their gifting effectively for the work of the kingdom.  &lt;strong&gt;Our contribution to this work is centered around gifts not vision.&lt;/strong&gt;  I also have reason to believe that since gifting is provided to us through the Spirit’s workings, it is quite possible that the gifting can shift as God deems necessary.  After all, it is His plan that is unfolding, not ours, as he brings all together according to the council of His will (Romans 8:28, Ephesians 1:11).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I further am convinced that since it is His plan and not ours, that He can orchestrate events as He sees fit.  Therefore, while we can have a picture about how our life will square out, even according to the gifting, I believe God can disrupt our plans and appropriate our gifting towards scenarios we may not even have envisioned.  I am reminded of James words in his epistle,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Come now, you who say, ‘today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a city, and spend a year there and engage in business and make a profit.  Yet you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow.  You are just a vapor that appears for a little while and then vanishes away.  Instead, you ought to say, ‘if the Lord wills, we will live and also do this or that.’ (James 4:13-15)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In conclusion, the problem with vision is not that we should not have it but that we keep it in its proper perspective.  For it is not the vision that is to be promoted but Christ, as Paul identifies in Colossians 1:28.  And everything given to the body of believers, individually and corporately, is to serve that purpose, as His body grows up in Him, contributing to each other needs, so that we accomplish the very work initiated under the New Covenant, to reconcile God’s creation with Himself.  To be sure, our local assemblies will address this mission in varied ways in context of the communities and their specific needs.    This will take a certain foresight and program design.  But care should be taken so that the lines of vision don’t get blurred with the church’s actual mission, lest vision become more important than Christ and instruction be consumed with vision instead of Christian doctrine.  That would be a huge problem.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1857064031000368572-6607583442840365024?l=desiderantangeli.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://desiderantangeli.blogspot.com/2009/07/problem-with-vision.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (srhoyle)</author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></item></channel></rss>